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how do i know if my cp3 is bad

by Jordi Rogahn Published 2 years ago Updated 2 years ago
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This is a one-stop symptom checker for issues related to common rail injectors and CP3 pumps.
  1. High-Pressure Common Rail Basic Information and Function. ...
  2. Do You Have No Start Or a Hard Start? ...
  3. Do You See Black Smoke? ...
  4. Can you hear Knocks? ...
  5. Do You Have Slow Deceleration? ...
  6. Is there Blue/White Smoke at Idle When Cold?
Aug 27, 2018

Why is my CP3 pump starting low?

When should a high pressure limit valve not leak?

Are You Encountering Dilution Issues?

Why won't my engine start with rail pressure?

Can CP3 pump be phased?

Can you hear Knocks?

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How do you test for CP3?

You can simiulate max output for the CP3 by unplugging the FPR and fuel sensor. This forces the CP3 to put max output on the fuel rail. To do the check you will have to pull you glow plugs and watch excessive fuel from coming out the glow plug holes.

When should I replace my CP3?

The Bosch CP3, used on the '01-to-'10 Duramax and '03-to-current Cummins engines, is known to last 250,000 miles or more before needing to be replaced. Of course, performance enthusiasts also know these pumps are only capable of supporting approximately 500 hp.

How much does it cost to replace a CP3?

2 replacement steps during the engine swap. These steps should be helpful for any diesel tech contemplating the S&S CP3 pump conversion or knowledgeable DIYers who aren't afraid to tackle such diesel repair work. The cost of doing just the LML CP4. 2-to-CP3 conversion is about $3,500 for parts and labor.

How do I know if my injector pump is bad?

Signs of a bad diesel injection pumpPoor engine performance.Engine won't start.Engine misfires.Difficulty starting the engine.Unusual amounts of smoke coming from exhaust.

Does CP3 conversion need tuning?

No Tuning Required Kits This kit does not require tuning because it's designed to work with the factory setting. In other words, the CP3 fuel injection pump in this specific kit is a direct replacement for the factory CP4 pump, meaning no altercations need to be made in order for it to work.

How much is a CP3 pump Duramax?

BOSCH ® OEM New – $902.00 This pump has a 3 year, unlimited mileage warranty. Warranty information can be found HERE.

Does a CP3 pump add horsepower?

Double Your Potential. On its own, the CP3 produces 24,000 to 26,000 psi of fuel pressure and can support a truck making approximately 550 horsepower at the wheels. When combined with a second (stock displacement) pump, the potential to make more than 1,000 horsepower is on the table.

Does a CP3 pump need to be timed?

Unlike previous (pre-common-rail) injection pumps, it has fewer tasks to perform. The CP3 injection pump's sole job is to create and regulate high-pressure fuel (it's not timed with the engine's crankshaft and camshaft).

Can you rebuild a CP3 pump?

While CP3 repair is not usually considered a "DIY" project, sometimes minor issues such as a leak can be corrected in the field with this CP3 kit. For more major concerns additional CP3 pump parts, special tools, and test equipment will be required for a complete repair.

What does a bad injector sound like?

Rough Idling/Irritating Idle Noise Typically, a car delivers a subtle rumble when at idle. If you notice that the sound has gone from low to a rough and unpleasant noise, it may be a sign of bad fuel injectors.

How do I test my injection pump?

Testing Injection Pump and Injectors remove the injector from your engine. hook the steel fuel line back up the the injector with the injector facing away from the engine. Bleed the fuel system. ... turn the engine over and let the fuel spray out of the injector onto a piece of cardboard.

What happens when an injection pump fails?

One of the most noticeable problems caused by faulty fuel injection pumps is that your engine is not running smoothly. When the fuel is not entering your engine properly, then it affects the performance of your car. This may not be noticeable at times.

At what mileage does the CP4 fail?

Air in the pump means that metal rubs against metal, causing accelerated wear. This will eventually cause the CP4 to fail, often around 100,000 miles. Before it fails, metal shavings are produced by the CP4, which travel into the fuel injectors and the fuel lines with catastrophic results.

How do you know your CP4 is going bad?

4:247:42How to Diagnose if your CP4 Fuel Pump is Failing - YouTubeYouTubeStart of suggested clipEnd of suggested clipNoises as you can hear in this case the pump's a little noisier. And not as smooth which isn't a no-MoreNoises as you can hear in this case the pump's a little noisier. And not as smooth which isn't a no-start condition.

How common are CP4 failures?

The Cause of the CP4 Failures: Lack of Lubricity in the Fuel The Bosch CP4 fuel pump has an unusually high failure rate in the U.S., upwards of 7%, when compared to 1% failure rate in Europe.

Does a CP3 pump add horsepower?

Double Your Potential. On its own, the CP3 produces 24,000 to 26,000 psi of fuel pressure and can support a truck making approximately 550 horsepower at the wheels. When combined with a second (stock displacement) pump, the potential to make more than 1,000 horsepower is on the table.

CP3 going bad?

Hello y'all new here to the forum and first time posting as well. I'm hoping somebody can help me with my situation or can give me a little insight. I have an 04.5 Dodge Ram 3500 6 speed with no start situation. At first, of course, when working would fire right up with no hesitation then within...

CP3 going bad?

Hello y'all new here to the forum and first time posting as well. I'm hoping somebody can help me with my situation or can give me a little insight. I have an 04.5 Dodge Ram 3500 6 speed with no start situation. At first, of course, when working would fire right up with no hesitation then within...

CP3 going bad?

Hello y'all new here to the forum and first time posting as well. I'm hoping somebody can help me with my situation or can give me a little insight. I have an 04.5 Dodge Ram 3500 6 speed with no start situation. At first, of course, when working would fire right up with no hesitation then within...

How to check if a CP3 is bad?

Take the return line off the CP3. Put a hose on it and run it into a container. Disable the injectors. Crank the engine over until fuel begins to flow from the hose from the CP3 return. Empty the container out, then crank it over for 15 seconds. Measure the amount of fuel in the container. If it is more than 1.2 onces, the CP3 is returning to much fuel and is bad. If less than 1.2 onces the CP3 is still good.

How long to crank a CP3 over?

Empty the container out, then crank it over for 15 seconds. Measure the amount of fuel in the container. If it is more than 1.2 onces, the CP3 is returning to much fuel and is bad. If less than 1.2 onces the CP3 is still good.

What to do if your car won't make 24k?

If it won't make 24K or 26K depending on your tune, then you have a fuel issue. Then you would need to check injector return rates if they checked good then the regulator is likely the issue. You can try some 2-stroke oil in the fuel, it helps free up sticky regulators.

Why is my CP3 pump starting low?

Most starting problems due to low pressure are caused by bad injectors as a result of erosion of the check ball seat. The pressure is supposed to default to a max of 26,107 PSI when you unplug the fuel control actuator. The pump cannot build an adequate amount of pressure if the injection system has a leak. The high-pressure pump will most likely need to be replaced if dirt and/or water has contaminated the pump. Generally, the injectors are afflicted first, however, contaminants also will go through the CP3 pump. To curtail injector cackle, the CP3 must be “phased” with these engines during installation. In the service information you can find a timing procedure.

When should a high pressure limit valve not leak?

A high-pressure limit valve should not leak at idle or during cranking.

Are You Encountering Dilution Issues?

Dilution can result from an upper injector O-ring that is bad or not sealing.

Why won't my engine start with rail pressure?

The system will not build enough rail pressure to start the engine if the injector connector tubes that sit in the injectors are leaking or if the check ball in the injector is leaking. Another issue might be the high-pressure limit valve. It takes approximately 4000 PSI of rail pressure to start the engine.

Can CP3 pump be phased?

Generally, the injectors are afflicted first, however, contaminants also will go through the CP3 pump. To curtail injector cackle, the CP3 must be “phased” with these engines during installation. In the service information you can find a timing procedure.

Can you hear Knocks?

Knocking can be heard if the actual versus desired are too far apart which may be a bad FCA or Fuel Control Actuator.

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